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What a joke!
If the government thinks this will cut the incidence, of smoking, they need brain surgery!!!
The last time, they had their new bold labels, put in place. they were sure that, would be an effective measure. Since then, teenage smoking has risen, close to 40%!!!!
People will just use, cigarette cases and fun-pack sliders, with positive images on them. They have already been developed!
Just tell the kids don't smoke, they'll do, the opposite, .thinking that, they are bad-asses!
They are rebelling against corrupt, governments, and society in general.
The government should, put all the smokers on prescriptions. sell cigarettes only out of pharmacies. The next generations of youngsters,would then indeed, have a difficult time starting
this habit!
The only problem is.... this is about money! The govt. is addicted to tobacco tax profits!! This is just another bit of political posturing, on their part... for their up- coming lawsuit against the tobacco industry! But, shouldn't they be named as the co--defendants, in this suit? They make 3 times the profit the tobacco companies do! They call the tobacco companies: the merchants
of death! True, but doesn't that make them 3 times as bad and senior partners, in the business?????
Face it, if smoking was costing health-care as much as they claim.(they can never, get the figures straight).cigarettes would be outlawed tomorrow!
In B.C. we now have the W.C.B. ban! A law(unenforceable) made without consultation of the public or industry. All based, on the results of the flawed E.P.A. second-hand smoke study. the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION ruled this test invalid!! But the B.C. government, preaches these bogus findings as the gospel truth!!!
This will be challenged by business owners, who have put their life-savings on the line. They have seen their profits dwindle, have had to lay-off employees and live in dread of what the coming tourist season will bring.
With THE W.C.B.s' NAZI-LIKE: snitch-line, they have brought on loathing and hatred, between the smoking and non-smoking factions, alike! Over 600 bar and pub workers have been laid-off, in the first 3 weeks of this ban!
When will, the madness stop?! This isn't about health, it's just another cash-grab!!! Any thinking person, can see this, including the children taking up this habit!
From Craig Anctil
Burnaby,B.C.
Three major lies in the country today:
1. I'm entitled to one mistake.
2. It will never happen to me.
3. I've got plenty of time.
J.C. Watts, R-OK Speaking to students in Bryan/College Station 1999/10/09
A couple of years ago, Jack put an ad in a local Los Angeles area newspaper looking for an employee, adding, "smokers preferred." He had a great response, about 130 replies to his ad. Just recently he called the same newspaper wanting to put the ad in again but this time he was warned that if he added "smokers preferred" that there were people ready to pounce on him. Not needing any problems during his busy season, he followed the newspaper's advice, obviously learned from experience, and left the reference to smokers out of the ad. This time he only received six replies.
If all the air pollution caused by cars were a white sheet of paper and all
the tobacco smoke were a black dot, then one would need an electron
microscope to see the black spot.
T. Graves
True story: A client of mine, a feisty 70 year old smoker, was finally talked into having a
chest x-ray by her doctor. When looking at the x-rays with her, he pointed out
white spots on her lungs which he said were caused by her smoking. She then
asked him, "And what would you have told a non-smoker?" He replied, "I would
have said that you have L.A. freeway lungs."
Marty
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ABC News just did a poll and found the same thing - by a 2 to 1 margin people thought the lawsuits against tobacco companies are ridiculous. You can find the story at http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/dailynews/poll991103.html
Dave Hitt
SMOKE-FREE DINING
The proposal by city Health Commissioner Sheila Lyne that smoking be banned in all city restaurants is both silly and unnecessary. The best way to provide diners with the option of a smoke-free environment is to repeal the ineffective and fatuous 1994 statute that requires restaurants to set aside a percentage of their space for non-smokers. Restaurant owners should be allowed to decide whether they want to ban smoking totally, partially or not at all in their places of business. City statutes would then be brought into play to enforce the wishes of the owner. For example, if an eatery were declared smoke-free and surly patrons chose to flaunt the ban, they would be subject to the appropriate legal sanctions.
Wouldn't this result in non-smokers being subjected to the dangers, or at least the annoyances, of second-hand smoke? Not at all. Given that the vast majority of the population does not smoke, many, if not most, restaurateurs would choose to make their establishments totally smoke-free. Indeed many restaurants today are smoke-free even though the law does not yet compel them to be so.
At the same time, because smokers do not enjoy being members of a group that political correctness demands be the subject of our scorn, derision and outright abuse, a niche market would develop for restaurants that allow smoking anywhere on the premises. In such establishments, smokers would enjoy their right, as responsible adults, to indulge their habit without being made to feel like bearers of some modern American version of the bubonic plague.
Although, to be honest, I have not (and probably won't) fully explore your site, I am pleased that in the midst of the socialistic big brother anti-smoking hysteria there is one site still devoted to the American principle of allowing adults to make their own foolish decisions.
lww
I have seen those vile and defamatory billboards, spewing the
gratuitous insult in smokers' faces that "Kissing a smoker is like kissing an
ashtray," with the Department of Justice and your name emblazoned at the bottom.
Well, one insult deserves another, not a carefully reasoned and polite letter that only makes
your kind think you can kick us in the teeth with impunity.
[THIS INSULT IS CENSORED OUT OF CONCERN FOR DELICATE EYES.]
James Doyle took a million dollar bribe to file a fraudulent lawsuit for his anti-smoker purchasers.
James Doyle ignored the documentation of anti- smoker fraud, and spurned the pleas for justice of the victims of the
biggest fraud and racketeering conspiracy in history. And then, he uses the stolen money to grind his bootheel on our souls!
James Doyle is an utterly evil man, who refuses to do the right thing, who is so corrupt that he wants to see the whole world corrupted just
so that he can find a big enough pile of dung to hide himself in. And James Doyle and his anti-smoker cronies push their putrid
ethos of lies and bullying to all the schoolchildren in America.
Well, I guess your kind got their just desserts in the Colorado school shooting. I hear they didn't like being bullied. I say we need more
people like that! I hope their numbers multiply beyond all reckoning. And to hell with the weeping and wailing zombies pretending to be "good people," who delude
themselves that they can allow evil like yours to enshrine itself as the moral ideal of the land, and still expect to live in safety.
Carol Thompson 5-11-99
Smokers' Rights Action Group
P.O. Box 259575
Madison, WI 53725-9575
608-249-4568
Chautauqua County, NY--An overflow crowd of 100 attended the April 20 hearing of the county legislatures Human Services Committee which was hearing a proposed ordinance which would ban smoking in most public places unless owners put in smoking rooms that are completely separate and separately ventilated from other areas.
Of the 42 speakers, only three favored the ordinance. Of the 39 who opposed it, a dozen were restauraunt owners from all parts of this very large county (some had to travel 40 to 50 miles just to attend.) In addition, there were several waitresses who testified saying the smoking ordinance would force employers to chose between installing expensive equipment or keeping them on payroll. Also opposing were officers from the VFW and the American Legion Hall.
There was no vote taken and the hearing process was continued until May 18. The ordinance still has more sponsors than needed to pass in the county legislators. However, sources say that strong showings and communications directly with legislators could turn them around or get them to go with a compromise, something less than separate ventilation and expensive wall-to-wall renovations.
Ron...
A letter to the editor of the San Jose, Ca., Mercury News sheds some light on the methods used by the anti-smoking lobby to generate false reports of "smoking related" deaths.
The author of the letter, Mary Ellen Haley, reported that a loved one died of adenocarcinoma. Only 17 days elapsed from the deceased's first visit to the doctor to the day of his death. The letter writer was provided with the information for the death certificate, which she took to the attending physician for completion.
On the death certificate there was a line for the doctor to insert the immediate cause of death, and then three lines for "due to". The doctor inserted "cigarette smoking" under "due to". The letter writer questioned the doctor: was he sure the tumor was caused by cigarette smoking? The doctor said he wasn't sure about that, but there were guidelines issued by the American Cancer Society, and that when a person dies of certain conditions and has smoked, the doctor is instructed to list the "due to" as "smoking". In this instance, Ms. Haley persuaded the doctor to omit the usual "due to cigarette smoking", but obviously, this was a rare occurrence.
The willingness of the medical profession to blindly observe "guidelines", issued by the Cancer Society generates a continuous stream of death certificates, validating the official line that cigarette smoking causes everything from heart disease to uterine cancer; yet, there is no shred of scientific evidence to validate any of the certificates; they are based on nothing more than official instructions to put down smoking as the cause of death!
Colby also gives the results of studies trying to determine the accuracy of doctor's diagnoses of lung cancer, based on working backwards from autopsies where lung cancer was found, but NOT diagnosed prior to death. 57% of the "misses" were in non-smokers... only 16% of the "misses" were in smokers, indicating that physicians are biased toward diagnosing lung cancer in smokers.
Colby quotes another study which showed that physicans missed 46% of actual lung cancers, and falsely identified another 33% as having lung cancer that wasn't really there. Aside from the bias, it's clear that diagnosing lung cancer without an autopsy is not very accurate. For those of you wishing to read the short book by Mr. Colby, the full text is linked from my Libertarian page, at http://www.tipsmith.com/politics.htm
Joan Beck of the Chicago Tribune did some investigating and found out that the 3,000 figure (everyday 3,000 kids start smoking) referred to 20-year-olds! Says Beck: "Contrary to what Clinton and Gingrich suggest, very few young adolescents are being lured into a cruel tobacco addiction. The president laments that 3,000 kids begin smoking every day. When I called the White House press office to find his source for this estimate, I was directed to the Centers for Disease Control, which sent me a 1989 study from the Journal of the American Medical Association. But the study said nothing about children. The 3,000-a-day figure referred to 20-year-olds." ("Cigarettes and Children: The Rest of the Story" by Joan Beck, Chicago Tribune, 4-26-98)
When it comes to misleading the public it looks like Clinton and his anti-smoking cronies lead the pack!
Joy Faulkner
President FORCES NZ (FORCES INTERNATIONAL)
Founder Smokers of the World Unite
Amphora has quit tobacco production and is now into Kaffee/Tea Houses. From 4/6/98 Fox International News: Imperial Tobacco Group PLC said it plans to buy the Dutch tobacco company Douwe Egberts Van Nelle from Sara Lee Corp. for about $1.1 billion. Imperial Tobacco said the deal will make it the world's largest seller of hand -rolled tobacco, while contributing to its strategy of building a stronger business in continental Europe. Douwe Egberts Van Nelle, known as DEVN, has origins dating to 1753 and is a top international distributor of hand-rolled and pipe tobaccos, including the brand names Drum, Van Nelle and Amphora.
In answer to your question, yes both Sail and Amphora are Burley and Virginia blends with a Cavendish cut flake. Sail has a slight perque blend to it but both are similar in taste and aroma.
Patrick
In the effort to "protect" the rights of the non-smokers and the emotive use of children to support the issue against Environmental Tobacco smoke, the rights of the smoker is being eroded. There are 2 billion smokers on this planet. The have become the modern day Jew.
Hitler gained power by coercing people to believe that the economic woes of the world were the fault of the Jew. Today the smoker is being blamed for all the health problems of the world. Until that excuse is stopped the health problems will never improve. Since this vendetta began and smoking decreased, the health of the nation has worsened dramatically, explain!
As a smoker I say sit on this and rotate. Bring out your dead and prove conclusively that smoking was the only causal factor in a smokers death. I am sure a minority do die that way, life is a risk. Show me a corpse and I will show you many risks in its life that could have killed it.
The anti agenda continue to push only what suits their agenda. When something crops up that doesn’t suit that agenda it is covered up or all the judges, scientists involved are all of a sudden incapable of logical thought.
This month a new media report come out from a judge in the US who had since 1993 when the report first came out told the world that the report was biased and not scientifically sound. I am talking about the Environmental Protection Agency report on the dangers of Tobacco smoke. On which since 1993 all the smoke free crapola has been based on. But of course just like the 10year scientific report that showed passive smoking DOES NOT cause cancer, which by the way was hidden by WHO the very organization that commissioned it, has been ignored as a load of old boots.
Okay, if this is the case, and all these new reports debunking the EPA are wrong and smokers are killing babies, themselves, their partners and children and people next to them, why is it still legal. I am sick of giving excessive tax for my pleasure to you whiners, so ban it. If you don’t ban it, simply because you want our money 750million a year of it then the government is guilty of these peoples deaths, not the smoker or the Tobacco Industry, but the government. They are guilty of criminal negligence. All western countries involved in anti-smoking campaigns should be sued for trillions because they continue to allow these people to die. I can use their own evidence to pursue this I guess.
Once again I will repeat myself. Smokers cost arguably 208million a year they pay 750 million. What is the cost of our other legal drug. And don’t just count diseases it causes. Count the cost of car crashes, murders under the influence and other violence. Count the broken marriages because of it and the cost of supporting families, the rapes while under the influence, do I need to go on.
Then there is the cost to the taxpayer from obesity and its related diseases which cost this country 500million a year. These people are not taxed an extra 75% because of their dietary bad habit.
And for MR Delamere who will use his race as reason for his concern and wave 31 % death rate of Maori under my nose I say bullpucky. If he wants to generalize then so will I. Show me all these dead Maori smokers and I will show you a heavy drinker, maybe also a marijuana smoker and an obese maori who also is in the lower socio-economic group and has a very suspect diet. These 31% he waves under our nose may
well be a smoker but suffer all the other problems mentioned but he wants to tell me smoking was the cause. Well I say the same thing. Sue the government for not banning it. Lets put millions of American factory workers and Tobacco growers out of business. I for one am ready to be made a criminal and buy or grow my own tobacco on the black market like many other smokers would. I am sick of giving the mafiouso in government my money.
Joy Faulkner
President FORCES NZ (FORCES INTERNATIONAL)
Founder Smokers of the World Unite
One thing that really annoys me is the way that people go on and on about smoking as if it is was the biggest and only danger to
health. Your FAQ is an excellent piece and contains all the things that most of us would say about freedom to smoke, civil
liberties etc., but I feel that it needs facts and figures to make it an even greater argument. I hope you don't mind if I try and put
my case!
A British Government survey published in April 1997 shows that the biggest threat to society in general, and health care in
particular, is not smoking, but alcohol. For every 1 smoker receiving some kind of medical care or counselling, there are 10
alcoholics receiving the same treatment. This means that the burden on medical and health services for treating alcohol related
problems is 1000% greater than for treating smokers. What about secondary smoking then? Surely this is harmful to people who
are regularly exposed to it? Not so. Many famous institutions have tried and failed to prove a link between secondary smoking and
illnesses. But it smells doesn't it? Well, yes, but so does the guy who got boozed up the night before, and he could be emitting
all kinds of smells and noises that you have to either work or live with.What about the cost in lives of the drunken driver? What
about the cost to families affected by alcoholics? What about the cost to victims of drink-related crime and violence? Did you
know that one drunken man in the United States cost his countrys' economy $2 BILLION DOLLARS? Yes, $2 BILLION DOLLARS.
Who was it? The Captain of the Exxon Valdez, who ruined 1,000 miles of Alaskan coastline. That clean-up operation is still
continuing today. What about the cost to industry of the guy who fails to turn up for work because he had a skinfull the night
before? Do you know any smoker that will phone the office or factory and say he won't be in work because he had a couple
of cigarettes too many the night before? The fact is, that it's fashionable to have a go at the smoker. It's P.C. as they say.
Well all you smokers, just look at the facts. They're all there and they're in your favour. Give it to 'em broadside. Why should
you be made to feel like an outcast? The demon alcohol is the biggest enemy!!! Good luck and best regards to all your members.
Vinny
Manchester, England
The whole anti-smoking movement has rallied around the "save our children" theme, and this is our chance for all of that to backfire on them. Increasing the cost of cigarettes is the single most harmful thing that can be done to children of low income parents. This is the TRUTH, and this must be made absolutely clear to the media. Whether you call it addiction or not, parents will buy cigarettes (and coffee) first, and low income children will suffer as a result of higher cigarette prices.
THAT is the message we need to get out.
Dan
koda@psycom.com
Money, Money, Money... Those Anti's have unlimited supply's of it, through our own tax, which was passed by a vast majority of Californians, to pay for education and to put us in our place.
Does anyone realize how effective an organization like FORCES could be with a little cash? I spend a lot of time on AM talk radio, passing out flyers and bending the ear of anyone who will listen to a Liberty speech. With a little money, we could buy time on local radio stations and purchase bulk mailing lists, these two things alone would rally lots smokers around in a common cause. (Liberty)
It's funny because I rarely meet a smoker who isn't mad about what's
happening, but nobody knows how to change it, for free.
Tom
I think you may have heard by now, but AB 297 failed to make it out of
committee. The committee headed by Diane Watson, a woman from East Los Angeles,
killed it so it didn't make it to the Senate floor for a vote.
This woman, who has been a very active and rabid anti-smoker, worries more about tobacco
than the slums and poverty in her own district. I guess it's better to keep that cigarette out
of the hands of the gang member, heroin addict, broken homed, ill-educated and no health
insured kid than anything else that may improve their life.
Has she been bought and paid for by Prop 99? It looks like it, with all the anti-tobacco bills
she keeps putting in, when she obviously has the power to actually help the people in her
district.
Ray Sasso
Forces
To: The Smoker's Club, Inc.,
Senator McCain and others are working on a tobacco settlement "compromise" bill which will,
among other things, raise the price of cigarettes by $1.10 over the next five years.
This is MUCH higher than the amount which would be raised by the terms of the original settlement.
This is the bill which seems to now have everyone's backing except the tobacco industry (and
smokers, of course). Smokers have been completely left out of the settlement deliberations.
Now's our chance to bombard McCain with e-mail stating simply that his "compromise" of raising
the price of cigarettes by $1.10 per pack is unacceptable to 50 million adult American smokers.
Please write today: Senator_McCain@mccain.senate.gov
Wanda Hamilton
TO: The Smoker's Club, Inc.
FROM: Lewrothman@aol.com
The anti-tobacco proposals floating around Washington these days scare the hell out of me, and they will surely scare the hell out of you...... because you're the one who's gonna end up paying the tab on some of the most unjust legislation in history. Let me give you a condensed background:
Last June a "settlement" was reached between various parties, including the State's Attorney Generals, and the major cigarette companies. (I know what you're thinking: what the heck do cigarettes have to do with cigars? Not a damn thing. That's the problem!) The foundation of the settlement was the concern about kids smoking cigarettes and using smokeless tobacco. As that "settlement" is weaving it's way through congress, it has now become a "settlement" to include all tobacco products - even cigars and pipe tobacco, which kids don't use. The cigar and pipe tobacco industry don't need a "settlement" - NO ONE IS SUING THEM FOR ANYTHING !! In fact, to my knowledge, no one ever has! The provisions Congress is considering include huge excise taxes aimed at drastically increasing the price of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco, so that they are less affordable by kids. Unfortunately, there are several proposals that want those increased excise taxes to apply to all tobacco products - even the ones kids don't use, like cigars and pipe tobacco !! For example, one proposed excise tax would raise the tax on cigars to OVER $1.50 PER CIGAR ( and this doesn't even include all the State excise taxes and sales taxes you already pay). For pipe smokers, the federal tax alone on a single pound of tobacco would be more than $18.00. These taxes, if enacted, would not price cigars and pipe tobacco out of the hands of kids, because kids don't use them - They would price cigars out of the hands of adults.... and the money raised would be part of a "settlement" that Cigar and Pipe smokers are not involved in. We need to make the biggest "stink" we can, as fast as we can, because once a tax like this gets enacted, it's damn near impossible to get it repealed not matter how unjust it might be. It doesn't matter if you're a Republican or a Democrat, the only thing that matters is if you're a cigar or pipe smoker. Take 10 minutes out of your day and write your representatives in Washington in the House and the Senate, and the President. DO IT NOW
Tell them to leave the taxes on cigars and pipe tobacco alone. Tell them that cigars and pipe tobacco are used by informed adults like yourselves, who freely choose to enjoy these products.
LET'S FIGHT THIS THING WHILE THERE'S STILL TIME
Dear Samantha,
...The transaction appears to have been completely successful. The first thing I did was to fill my cleaned pipe, and enjoy. Maybe your name should be "Angel." Thank you very, very much....
Many thanks for your efficient service. ...
Respectfully,
Hugh... (New Zealand)
Hi Sam,
... On holiday swimming in a big pool and I lost my Hire Car keys. I had put your key ring on them. Found the keys safely floating on the surface. You're a legend!
Regards,
Rick... (Australia)
Dear Samantha,
I would like you to know that I'm VERY PLEASED with your company.
You're very kind to include the little gift with my last order.
Premium cigar smoking is one of the few pleasures I still enjoy in life - dining out & good scotch are the others.
I smoked my first cigar in 1950, a J.A. "Chico" for 5 cents. I was hooked! I have been a "stogie" smoker ever since. I'll never forget the truest words ever spoken. In a garage I was working in, an older fellow said, "Once you start on the expensive, hand rolled cigars kid, you'll never go back." How true, how true.
When I was younger I remember I could smoke anyplace, excepting church and the movie theatre. Now it seems many people that see me smoking make comments, cough extra loud, or make faces. All these P.C. morons have jumped on the anti-smoking bandwagon.
... Someday, if I ever do suffer consequences from smoking cigars and God lets me "off the hook" I'd only do it again. Just walking into a place and smelling cigar smoke, I've got to have one too. Talk about the power of suggestion.
Thank you again. I feel I can relate to you - good luck, and I hope your business continues to prosper.
Yours Truly,
Fred ...
Dear Samantha,
... On a personal level, I am a cigar smoker and subscriber to Cigar Aficionado magazine. I am always looking for places INDOORS to enjoy a good cigar. I have been relegated to my car, as the only place to be in from the rain. Unfortunately, a good cigar lasts longer than my typical ride. The result is destroying a good smoke by relighting it. I will support anything you do to preserve my right to make a choice as a free adult and American. It continually surprises me, how often we must take a stand to preserve our freedom; the foundation of this nation! ...
Sincerely,
Joseph ...
Dear Smoker's Club,
Thank you very much for such quick service! I am not able to get to the store easily, due to bad back problems. It is a blessing to have my cigarettes delivered right to my door. Keep up the great work and please send some extra order forms in the next order.
A happy member,
Joan ...
Dear Members,
I am writing to tell a different side of the right to smoke issue. I am a Mic-Mac Indian. Native Americans take the right to smoke one step farther in our belief and that is the use of tobacco in our religion.
Our prayers are carried up with the smoke. If you have ever seen a sacred pipe (what you may call a peace pipe) they almost always have feathers of an eagle or a hawk on the stem, to carry our prayers to awasso (heaven).
The sacred tobacco (kinnikanikki) is not used to ask the creator for anything, but to give thanks for everything.
Aquine,
Azo Guizo Maqua
